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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 22 2015, 01:18 PM (1,378 Views) | |
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Oct 22 2015, 01:18 PM Post #1 |
 
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Obviously there seems to be a lot of people who don't like how Super-Saiyan was handled through-out the series. Trunks, and Goten getting Super-Saiyan, a lot of people didn't like and they thought it made Super-Saiyan less special but how would you have handled it? I like what someone else once said, and that's to after the Freeza Saga do the Boo-Saga or Boo like set-up. Do a time-skip after the Freeza Saga, and have everyone train and then someone like Kaio-Shin comes and tells them of a threat like Boo. Even after years of training Vegeta still isn't able to unlock Super-Saiyan. They (Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo) get to fight the fighters, but then Vegeta gets posessed by Babidi and the Majin Charm, and he finally transforms into a Super-Saiyan through it. So he didn't really become a Super-Saiyan by himself, but through the Majin posession he was kind-of given it. I don't know what I'd do after, but if Gohan does achieve Super-Saiyan somehow, then he'd also be the only one who achieves Super-Saiyan 2 through rage, and then unlocks for good after initially transforming. Neither Goku or Vegeta do even-though their Super-Saiyan can still be stronger than Gohan's, but his Super-Saiyan 2 obviously be too much for them still. Then you could do fusion with Goten and Trunks (or someone else), and just let the fusion be really strong, just because it's a fusion. So Fusion > Super-Saiyan (2) is kind-of what I mean. They don't need Super-Saiyan for it to be power-full and they'd also be relevant if they still are in the story. But that's just vague thoughts. What'd you do? |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Oct 22 2015, 02:11 PM Post #2 |
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I wouldn't have changed anything, because everything already works. Goku had to be exposed to the right conditions. Vegeta had to work hard and be exposed to the right conditions. Gohan had to work hard and be exposed to the right conditions. Trunks was born with the ability to access it at some point, likely because Vegeta was a Super Saiyan when he banged Bulma. Goten's situation is likely the same. As for going beyond Super Saiyan, I feel it was handled well. Vegeta and Trunks made rash decisions. Goku, being the fighting genius he is, found a way to master the form, and Gohan followed suite. Gohan was then the first to become a Super Saiyan 2, which I feel is appropriate because of how he was built up throughout the entire series. I also feel Super Saiyan 3 was handled well because it appeared to be an unnatural form, so it would make sense that Goku had to attain it in Otherworld. Gotenks achieving Super Saiyan 3 is really the only thing I have a problem with, but then, it's gaggish in nature, so it doesn't bother me all that much. |
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| Thiln | Oct 22 2015, 02:23 PM Post #3 |
 
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I don't think you'd want me at the helm of such a project because I would be tempted to keep Super Saiyan exclusive to Goku. In the process, though, any possible arcs following Frieza would have to involve weaker antagonists and lower expectations for everyone since it would be unrealistic for them to equal or surpass the legendary being who only the galactic tyrant could do battle with. Obviously Goku would have perished on Namek in this timeline, leaving Gohan, Piccolo, Vegeta, and the others to take up the duty of defending Earth. Vegeta's rivalry would be refocused onto Gohan as it seemed to be heading during the early stages of the Buu arc. I would keep Piccolo as a consistent third player in the power race who is capable of challenging the two Saiyans' authority on the battlefield. With no SSJ around to irrevocably put the Saiyans light years beyond anyone else, the human fighters like Tien and Krillin would have been given the Kaioken and the tools necessary to keep them relevant in the race too, albeit with a bit less natural advantage and more emphasis on Ki amplification via KK to push themselves up to levels comparable with the top 3. Trunks could still exist, though I would have him below Piccolo and possibly the humans at their stronger KK multiplier. |
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| Instant Transmission | Oct 23 2015, 06:01 PM Post #4 |
 
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hmm i'd have Goku, Vegeta, Gohan and Future Trunks have it. Trunks with his whole dependent personality completely changed. of course i'd change everything regarding Trunks after he kills freeza. When he fights Goku, i'd make it so it's a lot more of a fight than Gokus finger, that made Trunks looks like such a pathetic t*** right off the bat. I'd have him more off a top tier guy than the mediocre character he was actually made out to be. Goku: Super Saiyan, and perhaps what we know as Super Saiyan 3 as a super power level that lasts about 10 seconds just a burst that can't be spammed. like Kaioken, so i guess SaiyaKen? Super Saiya Ken? XD Vegeta: Super Saiyan and his ASSJ. Goku can go ASSJ too but he'd never do it. Gohan: Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2. over the course of the buu saga-cell saga gap all 3 of the Saiyans train (Gohan slacks off just not THAT MUCH, so he does get stronger). Gohan has the edge over Goku and Vegeta individually due to his SSJ2, fusion will be available to Goku and Vegeta and WILL be used thus making Gogeta (or perhaps he'd still look like and be called Vegito as we know him. after all the gogeta design is really just based off how Gotenks looks). Goten and Chibi Trunks will NOT be Super Saiyans and will just be pretty strong, something around ginyu force level or something. not very significant. this reply is pretty confusing when i think of it, ask if you'd like me to clear something up |
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Oct 23 2015, 06:30 PM Post #5 |
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How'd the story have been if Goku had died on Namek, and Gohan and Trunks are the only survivors from the Z-Team on Earth, but without Super-Saiyan? So if Goku had been alive he could have defeated them, but he died on Namek too soon. Obviously'd need some changes. For the post above, I think if Goten and Trunks are just going to be strong, then they don't really need to be there at-all, if Goku and Vegeta are the only ones fusing and doing something with fusion, what's the purpose of Goten? |
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| TheACE | Oct 23 2015, 06:34 PM Post #6 |
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I imagine that it would have been a lot like "Light of Hope." I kinda think Super Saiyan could have been a "Once a generation" thing, but honestly I think it went as well as it could. Maybe cut back on the number of Transformations. Super 4 was enough for me. |
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Oct 23 2015, 06:38 PM Post #7 |
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It might have been better that way. Maybe Might have also felt more sorry for the heroes. |
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| ekrolo2 | Oct 23 2015, 06:45 PM Post #8 |
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Since Thiln more or less voiced my opinion of how to handle it from a story & character perspective, I'll give my idea for how to deal with it from a strength perspective. Instead of Super Saiyan being a fixed multiplier where even marginal increases in base strength result in huge increases for SSJ, I'd do the pool of energy concept instead. Basically, the stronger your base gets, the more energy you can put forth into SSJ which gradually increases its power. Say at a base of 3 million, you'd get a reservoir of power roughly at 145 million, giving you a PL of 148 million. Once you get your base to say 20 million, the SSJ increase would be something like 600 million with stuff such as the grades and proper, upper levels retaining their pre-established multipliers. Say if SSJ gives you a 600 million boost, SSJ2 would be 1.2 billion and 4.8 billion and so on. |
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| Darker | Oct 23 2015, 07:09 PM Post #9 |
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My only gripe is the design and the lack of concept(it's good, but it could be better). I've gotten bored of the classic Super Saiyan form. One thing I'd like as a change, over black-haired saiyans turning blonde for no reason, would be as if their hair went up on fire. It would be a lot more stylish. Also, Ssj3 getting Raditz hair makes no sense, so delete that. Ssj2 seems fine with all the electricity around the transformation. |
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Oct 23 2015, 07:15 PM Post #10 |
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They don't turn blonde, it's supposed to be gold. |
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| ekrolo2 | Oct 23 2015, 07:16 PM Post #11 |
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Yeah the design of SSJ doesn't really make any sense, I'd argue SSJ4 is the only one that kind of does because of it heavily incorporating the Oozaru form into its design though the color scheme is off. No less random than the blonde hair though imo. |
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| Notaka | Oct 23 2015, 07:26 PM Post #12 |
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I would have only given it to goku. It's supposed to be a legend that appears once every 1000 years and then everyone in a couple of years get it ? at the most I'd give it to Vegeta too. Edited by Notaka, Oct 23 2015, 07:27 PM.
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| Instant Transmission | Oct 23 2015, 11:37 PM Post #13 |
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hmm you're right about Goten and Trunks. i guess Fusion should apply to them and the RoSaT too. i'd also have SSJ Goku and SSJ Vegeta much stronger than Cell at that point. SSJ is a versatile and very powerful transformation, i don't think it should be weaker after all that time. especially considering SSJ Goku in the cell games was at least half if not a bit more of cells full power. i'd have Gotenks simply stall until Goku and Vegeta arrive to the scene and have the Gogeta/Vegito (dance, no potaras) fail against Kid Buu though (in my case i'd make it crystal clear that Kid Buu is the strongest. Buu also never absorbed anyone in my lil story. to be honest i'd need to write a whole story to explain what i'd do with the buu saga regarding SSJ forms and stuff so f that. Basically to the point. Super Saiyans: Goku Vegeta Gohan (rutheless, combat mode Gohan only. he can't just do it randomly, only when he's dead serious with eyes of a murderer or some crazy s***) Future Trunks Gogeta/Vegito Super Saiyan 2's Gohan Fusions *non potara* Gogeta/Vegito ( i swear i feel like the dance would still make Vegito rather than what we know as Gogeta ) Gotenks yeah i suppose i'd like it like that. |
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Oct 24 2015, 12:15 AM Post #14 |
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I liked how they handled Super Saiyan till the end of Cell Saga. From Buu Saga onwards Super Saiyan just became a 'Cosmetic Upgrade' rather than a Power Upgrade. Anyways,moving on, my alternative to how Super Saiyan could have been handled is like this(actually it's very similar to how it is handled in the Original Timeline but with a few tweaks), -> Goku Survives Namek but he dies from the Heart Virus just like in the Original Timeline/Anime/Manga(He's also the one to achieve SSJ just like in the Original Timeline/Manga/Anime) -> Like in the Original Timeline the Androids appear and kill all the Z warriors.And also Vegeta is never able to achieve SSJ in this alternative.He is also slaughtered by the Androids. ->Like in the Original Timeline Gohan achieves SSJ after witnessing the Slaughter of the entire Z warriors. He Manages to survive the incident. ->15 years later Gohan is training Trunks because Gohan realizes that Trunks is able to get stronger at a very faster rate than almost anybody he knew including is own Legendary father Goku. In short Gohan realizes that Trunks is a Child Prodigy .But Trunks still isn't able to turn SSJ because he needs the right motivation to do so. -> Sometime later eventually in a fight with the Androids Gohan is killed in front of Trunks and this fuels him to Ascend to SSJ and destroy the Androids. |
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| * Ketchup Revenge | Oct 24 2015, 01:58 AM Post #15 |
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The only two I would've given the ability would've been Goku and Vegeta. Gohan would be able to get to that level because of his hidden ki, but he wouldn't actually have the transformation. Or perhaps Gohan might've had a different type of transformation that equaled the power of Super Saiyan, but due to him being only half Saiyan, this could explain the difference. |
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